What do you think of Bulgari now?

Mar 20, 2012,10:13 AM
 


Bulgari Daniel Roth Grande Sonnerie Quantieme Perpetual

 

 

Just a little over two years ago Bulgari announced that Daniel Roth and Gerald Genta would be integrated into the longstanding Italian luxury brand.  Not too long after we began seeing modernized, cleaner looking Daniel Roth and Gerald Genta watches with the BVLGARI logo on the dials.  At the time some members of the community thought the change to be a complete travesty.  Others were more open to the idea, understanding the struggles of smaller brands to survive in today’s mega marketing budget watch world. 

 

Bulgari Daniel Roth Endurer All Blacks

 

Daniel Roth and Gerald Genta had all the technical and artistic assets to produce exceptional watches but lacked a large enough base clientele to survive on their own.  What they needed more than anything was a few “bread and butter” type models that appealed more to a mainstream audience, sell a lot and fund the “niche” side of the brands.  Companies that are more specialized and sustain longevity do well with straddling the line between artistic self loyalty and expression and a keen business sense.  Perhaps this is true in any industry that deals in products with some sort of creative input. 

 


 Bulgari Gerald Genta Octo Bi-Retro

 

There was a consensus, begrudgingly accepted by some that the partnership between Bulgari and Daniel Roth, Gerald Genta would at least ensure the survival of the two brands for the time being.  Bulgari had the large base clientele and international exposure that they could greatly benefit from.  Couple that with over 150 years of history, vast resources to design, develop and produce, hundreds of established sales outlets and you had the makings of a guaranteed path of continuance.  The only thing that wasn’t an absolute was assurance of the same in terms of design.  This was perhaps the hardest part for some of the original fans to swallow.  The loss of DR and GG’s original “DNA” and also the staff that helped to create it.  It wasn’t going to be likely that everyone from the original manufactures would be able to keep their jobs but I do believe that a number of them did remain.

 

Bulgari Gerald Genta Magsonic Grande Sonnerie

 

Variance in the actual watches was a likely occurrence because Bulgari had to get something out of it for itself as well.  The extraordinary watches that DR and GG produced early on, while still under Bulgari’s financial backing did not translate into the sales volume perhaps that the supporters would have liked to see.  I would venture and guess that the profits alone frankly did not amount to much alongside the global luxury brand’s wide portfolio of products from accessories to jewelry, watches, fragrances and even hotels.  Bulgari eventually took initiative saving the two brands while at the same time making sure there was growth opportunity in it for the company as well.  What they sought was entrance into the world of haute horology as a serious contender.  This was evident early on as they strategically placed themselves for vertical integration with acquisitions of Cadrans Design (a dial maker) and Prestige D’Or (a watch bracelet maker); and then of the Swiss casemaker, Finger in 2008.  It seemed that absorbing Daniel Roth and Gerald Genta and all their technical watchmaking genius was the next logical step. 

 

Bulgari Daniel Roth Papillon Voyageur

 

In the last two years Bulgari has had a chance to show the world what they can do with the elements of their integration into the high and complicated market of watches.  They’ve released Bulgari brand Gerald Genta Octos and Geficas.  They’ve went to the extremes with the Tourbillon Sapphire, Magsonic and Grand Sonnerie.  Daniel Roth models saw public release as well with the Papillon Chronograph and Voyageur, Tourbillon Lumiere and the ultra impressive Grande Sonnerie which was publicly announced at our very own IGOTT2 event in Las Vegas last year.  The much anticipated Daniel Roth Endurer finally reached public sale and met Bulgari’s own creative rendition at Baselworld last year in the All Blacks version.  This year they are embracing grandes complications in the Daniel Roth line with the Carillon Tourbillon, a watch that focuses on aesthetic in accordance with function. 

 

 

Bulgari Daniel Roth Carillon Tourbillon

 

 

The company has also brought commercial partnerships in contact with the two niche brands, first with the All Blacks and now with the new Gerald Genta Octo Maserati.  And although not relative to DR or GG but noteworthy nonetheless, is Bulgari’s role in the PuristS 10th IGOTT2 event and their contribution to the P10 line of watches with the Bulgari Diagono P10 Watch.  The case construction and dial alone are enough to convince any serious watch connoisseur of Bulgari’s arrival into the very exclusive class of serious watchmaking. 

 

 

Bulgari Diagono X-Pro P10 

 

It is quite an impressive roster of accomplishments by Bulgari which has brought us to this point, two years later and I ask the question to the community – What do you think of Bulgari now?  Has your opinion of the Italian mega brand changed?  Is your perception of them broader now to possibly view them as a watch brand as well as a jewelry brand? 

 

Two years ago I asked the public a question, “For the Daniel Roth/Gerald Genta by Bulgari skeptics, what would the circumstances have to be in order for you to consider buying one of these watches?  An unbeatable design and look?  A "great" and "fine" movement?  Extreme value for the money?  The chance to own one of the firsts?  All of the above?  Doing away with the BVLGARI name on the dial altogether?”  One person questioned whether the staff would be knowledgeable enough to sell the watches.  What have you noticed?  Have you visited a Bulgari boutique recently and from your observations, did they know what they were talking about when it came to the Daniel Roth and Gerald Genta pieces?

 

Are you more likely now to consider buying one now as opposed to two years ago? 

 

For me, if my pockets were deep enough, I certainly would.  I am more likely today to purchase one as opposed to two years ago.  When I look at one of their Grande Sonneries, Toubrillons or Octos I don’t even take notice of the names on the dial anymore.  I just see the beautiful lines, the smart combination of metals, colors and finishes and the movement.  I have been blown away by Bulgari’s conscientious balance between technical excellence and aesthetic allure.  I understand now why their history is such a lasting, rich and integral part of their success.  It is inherent in their impeccable taste and complete understanding of style, what looks good with what, balance and harmony.  Yet they do not ignore their customers or the current style atmosphere either.  They know how much to design and when to stop “designing” so as to not fall into the trap that often plagues some smaller niche brands that suffer from design overkill and lose site of the bigger picture of sustainability.  I believe that true success is a dynamic process that requires constant balance and adjustment and Bulgari, it appears in their quest to grow the brand’s watch business, is well on their way to achieving it. 





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For myself not much has changed

 
 By: Mostel : March 20th, 2012-11:35
The Purists edition is kind of cool, with the added meaning attached because it is a Purists watch. But to me, Bulgari continues to reek of me-too styling, over the top design. It still feels very 'wannabe', to me, IMHO. I'm referring solely to design.

LOL, hmm...and I thought they were trying to simplify...

 
 By: pingtsai : March 22nd, 2012-21:47
...some of the designs. Perhaps some are still overstyled. For example the new Papillon Voyageur. There does seem to be a lot going on on that dial and the Octo Maserati too. But I have to say that the original DR and GG dials were even more overly styled... 

Getting better.

 
 By: VMM : March 20th, 2012-11:55
You mean every watch with the brand BVLGARI on the dial? Sorry, but when I see a Daniel Roth or a Gerald Genta, that's what I see, a Daniel Roth and a Gerald Genta. The Bvlgari watches still looking good in its segment, and at Basel I saw they keep improv... 

Yes...for us...

 
 By: pingtsai : March 22nd, 2012-22:05
....it's a tough sell....but not for all of us Thanks for your comments!

I salute them

 
 By: LarsG : March 20th, 2012-14:31
As a fan of both Gerald Genta´s Gefica Safari-line and most of Daniel Roth´s line-up, I´m pleased to see how Bvlgari has managed to stay true to the origin of the two brands after the fusion. My fav. brand "Roger Dubuis" hasn´t had the same luck after the... 

Well....

 
 By: pingtsai : March 22nd, 2012-22:07
We will have to notify them to keep the ads up longer and have more of them. It's nice to see we have some positive supporters here. Thanks!

Better, but the fact they bought out

 
 By: Ed. W : March 20th, 2012-14:39
Daniel Roth and Gerald Genta still makes me raise an eyebrow. I do applaude the direction though.

How come?

 
 By: pingtsai : March 22nd, 2012-22:11
It happens all the time in this industry. DR and GG may not have survived otherwise or I suppose some other big company would have bought them out.

I understand it's common practice and something

 
 By: Ed. W : March 22nd, 2012-23:40
that Mont Blanc, Breitling, and various others have done. I'm not sure why it's slightly bothersome to me, but after seeing their respective works, I'm not too judgmental about it. In fact my girlfriend's parents house is right across from the office of D... 

Correction

 
 By: MTF : March 27th, 2012-18:33
Ed.W, I had to respond on a point of order. Bulgari did not 'buy out" GG / DR 2 years ago, They already owned both brands 100% back in 2001 having bought them from a watch retailer in Singapore. Messrs. Genta and Roth had sold their brands to the Singapor... 

Well, I live in Baltimore

 
 By: Ed. W : March 27th, 2012-23:43
so as far as the city itself goes, you'd be lucky to even find a quartz Seiko. Thanks for the history, after reviewing GG/DR's older watches I can see how the designs have been modernized by Bulgari since their acquisition. Eddie

I see their efforts....

 
 By: KIH : March 20th, 2012-16:37
... and it is getting into the "community" little by little. Just wish they made the smaller watches to appeal to wider watch audience, as a watch brand (but as a luxury brand, watches must be one of the "accesories" and that made them make things big wit... 

Agreed with the smaller watches...

 
 By: pingtsai : March 22nd, 2012-22:13
....I would never be able to wear any of the Bulgari DR or GG models. They are nice at that size but it would be nice to have a few smaller models as well.

Dear Ping

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : March 20th, 2012-23:57
first of all thank you for very very nice survey. I agree with your points about business/marketing/selling results side of story. What I feel is that if I was in watches for only couple of years and didn't have notion about DR & GG before I would like th... 

Thanks Damjam....

 
 By: pingtsai : March 22nd, 2012-22:22
...for your comments. They are very insightful. I wouldn't doubt that the watches are doing well on the world market...especially in Asia I would guess. You may be right with their public not being primarily us but I would like to believe that that can ch... 

Hi Ping

 
 By: 41northpole : March 21st, 2012-13:54
I think it's quite a good time to ask, allowing the dust to settle after a few years. In the main, I actually think they are doing very well, and it's great to see that some Bulgari AD's are actually getting one or two of the watches in stock. I am certai... 

Thank you Tim...

 
 By: pingtsai : March 23rd, 2012-08:46
....for your much appreciated comments here. Same for me, I would absolutely consider one if I could afford it.

I remain skeptical

 
 By: sanro : March 21st, 2012-20:16
And I wouldn't buy one. I can't come to terms with seeing the old "lowly" Bulgari-Bulgari models side by side with the new "sophisticated" Genta-Roth lines. Moreover, design-wise what I thought was daunting for Genta looks "new-rich" when wearing the Bulg... 

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion...

 
 By: pingtsai : March 23rd, 2012-08:44
...and they are much appreciated here. All opinions and views are welcomed. It makes for good debate and discussion You are right, they do jewelry fabulously well. But there is nothing wrong with ambition and aspiring to be more than what you are. Whether... 

Bulgari now

 
 By: T2009 : March 22nd, 2012-08:18
I believe that Bulgari is still not on the map of the watchmaking world. Daniel Roth and Gerald Genta still are, even discontinued. It would have been more impactful for serious connosseurs to preserve DR and GG on the dials, and have a Bulgari signature ... 

Boy, you guys are a tough sell, lol....

 
 By: pingtsai : March 22nd, 2012-22:31
Lots still stuck on the past...lol....that is okay though. But I just want to say that if everyone here bought the DR and GG pieces, the original ones when they were still making them....then maybe we wouldn't be having this post and discussion. Just mayb... 

:) [nt]

 
 By: VMM : March 23rd, 2012-02:08
No message body

Oh, but I did, Pingtsai!

 
 By: sanro : March 23rd, 2012-06:35
I own three Gentas!! So I am entitled to criticize... ;-)

Good for you :) [nt]

 
 By: pingtsai : March 23rd, 2012-08:45
No message body

maybe it's the press pics

 
 By: gcTIME : March 23rd, 2012-05:53
or they're really very nice i'm taken aback by the new collections...both case aesthetics and movement finishes appear to be great. i feel the integration of roth and gg into the bulgari brand while keeping the two names as lines of the bulgari family has... 

At one point in Bulgari's history, watches had AP,JLC, Vacheron movements.

 
 By: pingtsai : March 23rd, 2012-08:48
Just a reminder....perhaps they are getting back to a part of their roots.

They will have to do more

 
 By: aaronm : March 23rd, 2012-11:02
Then release slight variations (the GG Octa) or movement reshapings (DR Carrilon) to make me interested again. In a way they remind me of GM with Saab, you have a small brand with a small, but rather loyal clientele so you assume they'll buy almost anythi... 

From what I've heard....

 
 By: pingtsai : March 24th, 2012-09:10
....they have not refused to service original DR and GG watches. In fact, I believe they even have a catalog that makes original parts available. I will have to disagree with you that there is no innovation. I think they have done slight variations in the... 

They refused to service my DR chronograph

 
 By: MrkK : March 24th, 2012-11:40
This was an older El Primero based chrono. Bulgari people in NYC said that they no longer have access to Zenith parts. My experience with Bulgari is limited to NYC boutique and I have to say that employees there know very little about watches. DR and GG p... 

Hmm...that's unfortunate...

 
 By: pingtsai : March 24th, 2012-14:37
If they can't service then they should at least be able to direct to where they can. And yes, boutique people probably do need more briefing about the new pieces. Although I have to add that I'd be interested to know how many boutiques even got a DR Tourb... 

I'm tempted

 
 By: Dje : March 25th, 2012-04:40
Hi, Out of this aspect: "The loss of (DR and GG’s original “DNA” and also) the staff that helped to create it. It wasn’t going to be likely that everyone from the original manufactures would be able to keep their jobs but I do beli... 

I do Secret Stupid Shopper tests

 
 By: MTF : March 27th, 2012-19:10
Ping, I do Secret Stupid Shopper tests all the timeand ask a lot of stupid questions. At least in Asia, the knowledge-base of boutique staff has improved. Not 100% yet but better than 2 years ago. I've done a few Singapore and Malaysia boutiques; it reall... 

Bvlgari scorecard: Credit, but not a Distinction

 
 By: tony p : March 30th, 2012-01:41
Unlike many, I have nothing against the Bvlgari brand per se. I even own and love a Bvlgari Calibro 303 chronograph (the original release with two-tone grey dial and copper sub-registers). I actually submit that styling has always been a strong point of t... 

very well said!

 
 By: lien : April 1st, 2012-06:37
the old 303 bezel has more character over the slimmer new update and this might be what the problem is: they should keep the aesthetic design of bulgari and gain depth for high complication from DR/GG, not the other way around as they have done so far. DR... 

Excellent post! (NT)

 
 By: Geo : March 30th, 2012-10:22
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